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Native version getting closer

Discussion in 'GIMP for Mac' started by Auria, May 7, 2008.

  1. Auria

    Auria Member

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    One of the biggest showstopper bug in native GTK has been fixed :
    http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=473822

    And on the Imendio boards, Richard Hult mentionned the GTK installer package was almost ready.

    Native GIMP is now getting really serious :) I can't give time estimates before a really stable version. but it's getting closer
     
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    Wehoo!! :D
     
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    Thats awesome!!

    Can't wait!  :D  ;D
     
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    BTW. Open Office just released a beta of OOo 3 with Aqua! X11 is soo last year!
     
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    This is a bit off-topic to GIMP, but I'm curious, how well does it work? NeoOffice works well but is just too slow so i'm highly interested in this ;)
     
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    OT: I like it. Doesn't look as good as NeoOffice but I think it's a bit faster. This is just a beta, in a couple of months it will feel/look like a real OS X app (although it already is).

    Give it a try! http://download.openoffice.org/3.0beta/
     
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    I'm waiting with baited breath for this. While I did get gimp 2.4 quartz running I never got the quartz gtk engine to compile. It would be easier if it was on macports instead of having to get it seperate. Anyway I look forward to when we can download installable packages. I'd like to see screenshots of the latest version.
     
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    3 weeks has pasted, nothing new to report regarding the native build?
     
  9. Auria

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    I said "closer", not "very close" ;)

    Richard Hult from the GTK-imendio team posted an experimental patch to make new frames centered. This will be a great new feature when it goes in - with the X11 version, they sometimes appeared off-screen, while with the native version, they previously appeared always at the top-left corner

    Otherwise, I'm still waiting on their GTK installer :) Development is not that fast
     
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    Thats great, can't wait for it to finally come!
    Is there any progress with it?
     
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    Well for now not much is happening on my side, I'm still waiting for the GTK-quartz team to come up with an official GTK installer
     
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    So, is the native version coming soon? I know you can't give a date, but is it a matter of days, a matter of weeks, or a matter of months?
     
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    Unfortunately I cannot tell, I am currently waiting on the GTK-mac team

    My best temptative estimate would be a few months - perhaps test builds could come earlier though
     
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    i was just wondering if tablet support might come with the native version of the gimp. i remember reading something about it a while ago but i just wanted to know if its been confirmed or not.

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    by the way i can't wait for a native version thanks soo much!
     
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    Tablet support currently works in neither the X11 nor the Quartz version. However, it should not be difficult to make it possible in either, we just need someone that knows how to code X11 or GTK and has a mac and has a tablet and has time/will to do it ;) If you forward this request to the XQuartz team it is possible they could add it. The GTK-quartz team are already aware of this issue, they just haven't done it yet (or maybe they don't have a tablet)
     
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    Hi, what's the status?
     
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    ... please have a look at this thread:

    http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php? ... _id=761055

    more information about his topic we be here:

    viewtopic.php?f=17&t=605&start=45

    and once again. What do you expect from a "native" GIMP?

    GIMP uses the GTK widget set. GTK uses X11. If you compile GTK gainst Aqaua, it will be still GTK. The interface will look the same, the dialogs are identical, all functions will be the same on X11 and on Aqua. There will be no new features _and_ some features will get lost, if you comile GTK against Aqua: Why? X11 supports graphic tablets and various other devices. If you comile GIMP on Aqua, there will be no support for graphic tablets, because this relies on GTK using X11.

    So what's the advantage of a "native" GIMP?

    -skl
     
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    Hi lisanet, thanks for your answer.

    I understood it the opposite way: that X11 doesn't support tablets on OSX.

    The advantage of a native version would be that the menus are in the OSX menu bar, which is what every Mac user is used to from other apps.
     
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    ... ah, the menubar.

    That's right, users will be used to access the menubar on top of the desktop.

    But, if you have a "native" GIMP, the menubar will look like other OS X apps, but any other widgets, dialog boxes for saving and opening, printing dialogs, will still be different and they will look like the current ones. So IMO the user will get more confused. She uses an application which will look like other OS X apps (she sees a menubar on top of the screen), but the open dialog is very differnt, drag & drop doesn't work the OS X way, the printing dialog is completly different and has not the whole set of features, the preferences dialog is way other....

    What will give the user a more conistent interface?

    GIMP / X11: the menubar indicates that this program has other dioalog boxes and features
    GIMP / Aqua: the menubar idicates that it is a "native" OS X app, but the dialog boxes and features still differ

    -skl
     
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    Okay, I see, that would be bad for UI consistency.

    The only way to make it a real OSX native app is to recode it entirely I guess. Chances of that? I guess not many... :|
     

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